Calming Down from Rage and Plagiarism in the Natural Living Scene

Calming Down from Rage and Plagiarism in the Natural Living Scene

Here are the relevant articles:

Plagiarism exposed and responded to…was it plagiarism or a simple mistake:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025456.html

http://organicjar.com/2009/882/

The two fellas involved:

http://www.naturalnews.com/AdamsHealthStats.html

http://organicjar.com/about/

My view: I hope that Mike Adams and Jason Cairns do come to a resolution, and I hope that they publish what they come up with. All of us have searched for information online, only to find the same article in multiple places. Sometimes they have different “authors,” and sometimes that is legitimate, because the source author has sold “Private Label Rights” to the article, meaning that the article can be posted, changed or not changed, and posted with by any author completely legally.

What I hope is clarified, and it would be great if it could come from both sides, is what is Mike defining as “mass pirating?” How many pages? How were they cited, if at all?

Is it possible that Jason just thought he could use entire articles from Natural News and place them on his site as long as he cited the source? Certain article sources actually provide this kind of service as an RSS feed. I could, for example, create an “article ticker” on this site and have headlines on all different kinds of topics scrollin’ on by, and if I configure it correctly, when someone clicks on a headline, the article would come up in my page, with the proper source cited.

Mike could do a better job explaining his intellectual property policies. Can people use entire articles and cite Natural News? What can people cite? What images can people use? I mean, I had to upload Mike Adam’s picture onto my server to get the “Thumbnail” on this article to work…is that ok? Would I need to ask for permission for something like that?

Did Jason really just steal?

It would be great to see proof, substantive discussion…and definitely: calming down from the rage.

What all of us can learn. We can learn that, at present, there are all kinds of issues with intellectual property, payment for information, etc. Movies, music, articles, content from membership websites…certain people think that all information should be free…and they break the law to make it so. We are in a process of transformation, a period where my views are as important as any media mogul’s because, well, here I am online…here I am on YouTube…here I am! The same goes for your views. Comment, and POOF, you are right here in the global conversation.

My biggest concern: I’ve actually found myself concerned for Mike Adams lately. I don’t know him, but the rage and potential violence that this plagiarism incident provoked make me feel that we really need to find healthy outlets for our outrage at the medical establishment, the FDA, etc. I am really glad that Mike is rapping.

Question: How do you deal with your rage when you recognize that pain, death, and illness are disregarded in pursuit of control and profit?

13 Responsesto “Calming Down from Rage and Plagiarism in the Natural Living Scene”

  1. Hi Dainis,

    Thank you for a thoughtful post. I think you asked a very poignant question right at the end there, exactly something which I am myself grappling with at the moment: “Question: How do you deal with your rage when you recognize that pain, death, and illness are disregarded in pursuit of control and profit?”

    I think it’s something which warrants further discussion and ideas. Many of us will need them.

  2. admin says:

    Thank you. I guess I honestly wish I knew what the trespasses actually were. Did organicjar use an automated content tool and “misconfigure” it? I’ve tried a few of them, and it’s really difficult NOT to plagiarize with those tools. At http://blog.curetinnitus.org, I made a new “author” called “Automatic Tinnitus Content Aggregator,” but it still seems “not quite right” to me, and I have to figure out how to handle the “article sourcing” challenge. For me, it makes the most sense for organicjar to show its community exactly what it did.

  3. admin says:

    From Mike’s newsletter today:

    “I’m truly astonished that some people do not know the definition of stealing, and it really makes me concerned about the future of America, where theft has become such an intrinsic part of American society that the lawmakers do it, the Federal Reserve does it, the banks do it, the majority of students cheat on exams these days, and now people online don’t even recognize cheating or theft when they see it right in front of their eyes!”

    Well, here’s the thing: “I haven’t seen the theft in front of my own eyes.” I visited organicjar, and I couldn’t find theft there. That does not mean that Jason didn’t steal, however, if the “author” was just the “posted by” field, and Jason was using an automated content tool, then I can understand how the “stealing” would happen accidentally. But, on my end, that is conjecture. What I want to see is Mike’s screenshots of the actual tresspass. That’s what I want to see. I can’t take Mike or Jason’s word for it, and what I sense as “Mike’s intense anger” makes it difficult to see the truth.

  4. admin says:

    You know, about a year and a half ago, I had a $1,000.00 check stolen from me. It was stolen from the mail. I had marked it “for deposit only,” with my account number. I’d done that procedure a hundred times before.

    Well, the check was stolen, and it took me several calls, faxes, emails, etc. to file a report. No one knew who was responsible, which police department would take the report, etc.

    Eventually, the bank that issued the check just gave me $1,000.00. No investigation, no justice, no truth, no criminal, nothing.

    Just my phone calls to the account manager who was put in charge of handling this stolen check…must have cost the bank well over $1,000.00, so they just paid it. Done.

    Problem solved. Theft unresolved.

  5. admin says:

    Here’s what I just wrote to Mike and his team:

    Dear Mike and the Natural News Team,

    We, as your audience, have no way of seeing the plagiarism from your perspective. Even though I have a good amount of online experience, I simply can’t search through Natural News and OrganicJar and try to find stolen articles. The only way I could think of to find stolen articles is to randomly copy phrases from NaturalNews, then search for them at OrganicJar, and possibly spend half the day investigating.

    The plagiarism is not blatant to me, at least not yet…

    Here’s an excerpt from my blog post at:
    http://www.dainis.info/articles/calming-down-from-rage-and-plagiarism-in-the-natural-living-scene/comment-page-1#comment-9

    ——————————————-
    From Mike’s newsletter today:

    “I’m truly astonished that some people do not know the definition of stealing, and it really makes me concerned about the future of America, where theft has become such an intrinsic part of American society that the lawmakers do it, the Federal Reserve does it, the banks do it, the majority of students cheat on exams these days, and now people online don’t even recognize cheating or theft when they see it right in front of their eyes!”

    Well, here’s the thing: “I haven’t seen the theft in front of my own eyes.” I visited organicjar, and I couldn’t find theft there. That does not mean that Jason didn’t steal, however, if the “author” was just the “posted by” field, and Jason was using an automated content tool, then I can understand how the “stealing” would happen accidentally. But, on my end, that is conjecture. What I want to see is Mike’s screenshots of the actual tresspass. That’s what I want to see. I can’t take Mike or Jason’s word for it, and what I sense as “Mike’s intense anger” makes it difficult to see the truth.
    ——————————————-

    I really hoped to meet Mike in LA at David Wolfe’s The Best Weekend Ever, and I thank him for the audio CD he put together for people who attended he event. I’ve wanted to meet and interview Mike for a good long while.

    I recognize that Mike might be mad, but including me in a potential group of people who “don’t know the definition of stealing” goes too far, and I don’t feel like I have a place to discuss this at NaturalNews.

    The issue of “stealing” is a really really good one, though, because, from one perspective, our entire civilization is constructed on “stealing.” We “steal” wood from the forest and build homes, leaving the forest to fend for itself. We extinguish the lives of other life forms for our personal benefit. We rape the earth, each other, our environment, and yes, “stealing” is so intrinsic, that we don’t even see it. And we don’t see it in ourselves.

    So, it’s up to us to define it and work with it and align ourselves to a higher path. That’s where we are at as a species.

    Many blessings to you and your team!
    –dainis

  6. Ryan Cairns says:

    I’m Jason’s brother and what Mike has done and pushed people to do is far worse than anyone knows. Jason is trying so hard to remain positive and NOT continue to blog about it. He’s sent Mike repeated genuinely apologetic emails, he’s fixed the citing issues, removed parts of his site, posted an apology etc etc.

    Mike has explained if he does these things he’ll tell his readers that they’ve solved there issues, but he’s not telling them that. He keeps sending out malicious newsletter updates. This entire situation is crazy. Do you know before this Organicjar had under 20 readers, and my brother only posted several articles a month just on issues he wanted to make sure everyone knew about. He only had 44 articles total on his blog and 12 had referenced Mikes work. I’ve found hundreds of blogs that republish all of Mikes work, everyday. It seems so unfair that my brother would be targeted like this.

    I love my brother and he is truly an inspiration to everyone. About a year ago, he decided to dedicate his life to helping others in need and he always wanted to help get truthful information out there. He did forget to cite articles, he did have his authorship misplaced, he makes mistakes but they were all mistakes that could have been privately corrected.

    I would never wish what my brother is going through on anyone. It’s truly shocking how negative everyone has been, I mean to send death threats, posting his photos on xxx sites, spamming his email accounts, making sure fraud, con appear in google. I guess it only shows you how totally unconscious the world is. I wasn’t aware people couldn’t make mistakes. I love you Jason and you’ll get through this.

  7. Ted says:

    What I believe most people are overlooking is simply. Mike Adams could and should have, just contacted Organic Jar in PRVIVATE

    Come to a agreement and move on.

    Some people enjoy being the victim as well as the judge and jury.

    Such is the case with Natural News / Mike Adams

    Mike is getting “slaps on the back” for avenging again, yet another injustice in this “world gone wrong”

    After all, he is a RANGER is he not?

    Mike is a sharp guy no doubt about it. An he will ride this one out into the sunset for all that it is worth . . .and then some

    It is obvious he is not the enlighten being as he would want every one to believe. His ego has clouded his sense of balance.

    He is back peddling as best he can while remaining the hero / victim

    Bottom line no REAL injury no REAL harm. Mike should take his power and align himself with Organic Jar

    Instead of trying to Iron Fist everyone into his line of thinking

    This blog said it dead on

    http://healthnazi-healthranger.blogspot.com/

  8. admin says:

    The health nazi thing isn’t really my cup of tea. Neither are comments on Mike’s ego. Until we see exactly what happened (screenshots), we won’t know what we are working with.

  9. Alexander says:

    First: I agree with everyone that says that Mike could have (and should have) tried to handle this in private first. This is a small website and it is possible that organicjar.com truly didn’t understand what he was doing.

    That being said, I am a professor of marketing and I deal daily with issues of plagiarism and cheating. It is a subject that my students seem to have difficulty understanding and as such, I feel necessary to comment on the current issue.

    At the time, I didn’t think this would blow up as it has, so I didn’t take a screenshot. But I did look at the two pages specifically mentioned by Mike Adams. In short, Mike wrote an article on his website. The exact same article (word for word) showed up on Organicjar.com. The real issue is that at the top of the page, on organicjar.com, there was a field that said “author: Jason Cairns”. At the bottom of the page was a field that said “source: naturalnews.com”. this gives the impression that Jason was the author and that Jason was summarizing or talking about information that he read. It did not give proper credit to the fact that the article was ‘copied’ from naturalnews.com.

    the second article was similar. It had the same format, but only about 2 paragraphs were copied from the original article. Unlike the first article that I mentioned, Jason actually wrote a few lines before the copied paragraphs. the problem is, again, that he did not clearly state what was his words and which words he copied from another website.

    Plagiarism is a serious issue (especially here in the states). It occures when anything is copied without being properly credited to the original author. It is possible, at least in my field, to inadvertanly self-plagiarize (if I say the same thing, the same way, in two different published articles) and could lose my job for it.

    Since I first viewed the issue, Jason has apparently removed the author line from organicjar.com. This is only a limited solution, he needs to make it clear what material is his own and what material is copied. That’s it. It would take a quick line saying, “This was originally posted on naturalnews.com” and most of this issue wouldn’t exist. Or if it is a news aggragator (as some have suggested) then make it clear that it is aggragated from a specific website.

    • admin says:

      Thank you Alexander, and the way you remember the situation, in my opinion, puts less heat on OrganicJar, not more. Here’s why: Blogs call the “author” the person who posts the article. That happened to me at http://www.curetinnitus.org, and I had to jump through major hoops to make an actual “poster” thereby listed as “author” for automatically “sourced” posts. I had to make a new administrator account, rebuild the whole automatic posting tool, then give that posting account the new adminstrator account to make posts with, and then I decided to go into each post and make sure that my audience knew “this post was sourced from the net and was not originally posted here.” It gets interesting that all comments were brought into my “sourced content,” and that now people have commented after the old comments, which gave the impression that the comments were made at my site, which they weren’t. Also, the tool I was using actually made it just about impossible to find the source URL, which was really frustrating, so I’ve stopped using the tool.

      Posts appear as “posted by” in my curetinnitus.org blog and member community. In other configurations, posts might appear as “authored” by the poster.

      So, what I’m saying is that if Jason posted the article while logged in as himself, his tool may have listed him as the “author.” Now, what does that mean? According to you, the reader, you think it means he wrote the article. According to Jason and the tool itself, it might mean that he “posted” the article. Changing what particular automatic fields say can be really hard.

      Is it possible that such information about the “authorship” of a post would be taken into consideration in a court of law? Because, for example, what if Jason changed the “author” field to display the label “posted by,” and then the articles were properly credited at the bottom, as you state? That would change the whole situation, would it not?

      So, if the technical process of posting articles automatically defines you as an “author,” but you are actually just the “poster,” and you do cite the source at the bottom, what is the nature of the infringement? Is it still plagiarism? Is it a technical glitch? Is it a “problem” created by the difference between the legal, human, and ethical definition of “author” and a “technical” (mis)definition of “author” as “poster?”

      The perceived authorship may not have been intentional. Technology can’t think for us, and rarely does technology serve us perfectly.

      Alexander, thank you very much for your informed post, it’s a pleasure to “meet” you!

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